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I have just bought a Guild Ashbory thru EBay uk and have had the opportunity to compare and contrast it wth my DeArmond. These are my observations and I would welcome any comments/opinions/feedback. It's an ivory white one, which was not a catalogue colour, and I understand that maybe a dozen or so were made, possible for demo purposes. It came in the original gigbag with paperwork and several spare E, A and D strings, plus (of course!!) the remains of a couple of broken Gs

The G are a sort of lime green and the rest a slightly grey colour, as opposed to the translucent white now available. They also feel harder than the new strings, and as a result seem to produce more treble and handling noise through the pickup.  I restrung it with new strings and it now feels and plays exactly like my DeArmond. The sound is more rounded and the pickup doesn't 'click' as much.

The friction uke pegs are, uh, interesting, and there is a definate knack to using them. What I have found when restringing is that it is better to knot the string some way down to minimise the number of wraps around the capstan. This seems to aid speedy tuning stability, as the string around the capstan has to stretch and this will be impeded by wraps of string piled up on top. As a result it 'creeps' for ages until fully stretched.

The passive setting on the Guild is, as expected, pretty weak and unspectacular, but what surprised me was the relative lack of output in active setting compared with the DeArmond. It is far more 'polite', with less bottom end and punch, whereas the DeArmond really growls. It's possible that the amplifier circuit needs attention - any comments?

I can say from this comparison that the DeArmond is superior in tunability and sound, which to me, is pleasing as I am less tempted to take the Guild out to gigs and sessions. I certainly don't regret buying it, being a bit of an Ashbory afficionado, but it is very pleasing to know that the currently available model is, in my opinion, superior in build and sound, and very affordable. Buy one if you haven't already!!!

Mike


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Mike Tavener
Supplier of replacement G & D string for the Ashbory bass. Details on http://ashborystring.website.orange.co.uk
   

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Quote from: Mike Tavener
It's an ivory white one, which was not a catalogue colour, and I understand that maybe a dozen or so were made, possible for demo purposes.


There was one for sale years ago (1998?) that was that Ivory white. I have an image of it on the old AIR site:
http://www.steamroller.com/ashbory/

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The G are a sort of lime green and the rest a slightly grey colour, as opposed to the translucent white now available. They also feel harder than the new strings, and as a result seem to produce more treble and handling noise through the pickup.  I restrung it with new strings and it now feels and plays exactly like my DeArmond. The sound is more rounded and the pickup doesn't 'click' as much.


I way prefer the gray strings, no contest. Sound, play, everything but look.

Quote from: Mike Tavener
The friction uke pegs are, uh, interesting, and there is a definate knack to using them.


I've been meaning to add an article about "how to use a Guild tuner", as it wasn't obvious for me. Be careful not to bend the tuner, they snap pretty easily. When I tune, I turn both the ends of the tuner just to lessen the torque.

Quote from: Mike Tavener
compared with the DeArmond. It is far more 'polite', with less bottom end and punch, whereas the DeArmond really growls. It's possible that the amplifier circuit needs attention - any comments?


My Guild circuit is flakey, and that doesn't seem to be rare.

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it is very pleasing to know that the currently available model is, in my opinion, superior in build and sound


The thing that surprised me most when I did the comparison article on this site was the paint. The finish on my DeArmond is far smoother than on the USA made Guild. I'd never have guessed that.

-Brock


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I have two Guilds. One is white and one is black. They live in viola cases. No g string breakage since giving up the original case. One has the Ashworth pickup upgrade and the other the original. The upgrade has a strong blooming bass suitable if you wish for funk reggae etc. The original has more of an upright balanced tone. They are completely different instruments because of this. I wonder if the Fender version is identical to the upgrade. If it's not we have another tone option. Oh no!
   

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I've just put an upgrade pickup in the Guild, as I did a side by side comparison with the DeArmond (which I'd done previously) and the recently acquired 2b. In comparison to both it was weedy and uneven in its response across the strings. The upgrade is a great improvement but it still doesn't have quite the output of the other two and is a bit more tonally 'polite'. The amplification circuit is probably the reason, but the upgrade was well worth doing.

Mike


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Mike Tavener
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Do you mean that the Fender is an improvement over the upgrade on the Guild?
   

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Do you mean that the Fender is an improvement over the upgrade on the Guild?

Yes, that's my overall conclusion, not now so much on the basis of the sound, whch as I said is much improved, but also tuning stability - those uke pegs were not the finest idea and they take a bit of practice and persistence to make them work.


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Mike Tavener
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Hi. On the basis of sound only, are the new ones different or improved over Guilds with the pickup upgrade?
   
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