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July 30, 2010, 03:06:05 AM
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Author Topic: 60 Cycle Hum  (Read 2936 times)
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Here's another one:  On three of my gigs recently, I experienced what
sounded like 60 cycle hum, that I couldn't get rid of - I was forced to turn
the treble way down so I could do the gig.   Two of the gigs were outside,
one was inside a church, two different amps were used, and I tried different
cables.  At the church gig I thought of changing the battery, but that
didn't help.  I'm thinking about opening up the Ashbory, and shielding the
inside of the preamp cavity, using adhesive copper or aluminum tape (like
what's already on the inside of the plastic cover).  It looks like the
preamp is held in place with the volume and tone control screws.  I shielded
a Fender Precision bass this way years ago, and never experienced 60 cycle
hum again.   Has anybody else ever had 60 cycle hum with their Ashbory?  Any
suggestions, or warnings, before I do this?

Craig Rasband

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  Don't screw it up."  -  John Goldsby


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I haven't heard of either of the problems you've had.

The biggest risk I see from looking inside the Ashbory is those excessively long wires some of the Ashborys have. I'd think they'd pick up radio though, not 60 cycle hum.

The long wires haven't been a problem I've heard about before either though.

If I were on a shielding mission (which I haven't had the need for) I'd look at shortening the wires inside the control cavety. If I were Massively Anal Retentive(tm) I'd have done it already!


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If it just started doing it it is not a shieding problem. I suspect that it is with the 1/4" jack or a tone control. If the there is a capacitor on your tone control that could also be the culprit.

Shortening the length of the wires won't help.

If you don;t want to replace the jack wrap some sand paper around a thin pencil and sand the ground/earth part of the jack because their may be some corrosion on it. Then bend the "hot" side in slightly so that you have a tighter fit when you plug in. If that doesn't solve then replace the capicitor and or the tone control.

The other possiblity is that the ground/earth wire going into the piezo is the problem.
   
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I had a hum that seemed to be related to the volume control.

I cleaned the socket as above but also opened up the back and simply moved the pickup wires around until I found a place where the hum vanished,  Put the back on and viola, noise gone...
   
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I'm also having the same hum problem. It seems to be a grounding issue because it goes away when I touch the metal of the jack and pots. I looked over the board and couldn't find any obvious problems, like bad soldering. I'm at a loss.
   
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Is it possible that a new PC Assembly would fix the hum?
   

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I put shielding tape on the back of my control plate and the bass is completely quiet

Gman
   
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HI
I had similar problem I used copper tape in both control panel
and battery compartments I then ran a wire from underneath
one of the 4 battery clips screws direct to where the pick up earth
is soldered to the circuit board. No hum at all now.
I noticed that when I checked the wiring out after recieving my new
Ashbory, that the earth wire from the pickup ran straight through
the circuit board to touch the black conductive paint but did not make good contact
So my solution seems to have cured the problem
Cheers
Derek
   

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I changed cables and the hum went away

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I had some type of hum also,so I moved my cell phone from my right side{which sat behind the back plate} to my left side...hum gone. Is it possible cell phone can interfere?? 
   

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ROOTS ROCK REGGAE
HI
I had similar problem I used copper tape in both control panel
and battery compartments I then ran a wire from underneath
one of the 4 battery clips screws direct to where the pick up earth
is soldered to the circuit board. No hum at all now.
I noticed that when I checked the wiring out after recieving my new
Ashbory, that the earth wire from the pickup ran straight through
the circuit board to touch the black conductive paint but did not make good contact
So my solution seems to have cured the problem
Cheers
Derek

Hi Derek,
I wonder if you might find time to post a picture of your wiring mod ?
I'm not good with electrics and don't want to mess it up.
At the moment I have a thin piece of speaker cable running from the jack socket to the strap lug and I rest my right hand on the lug whilst playing - this gets rid of the hum, but it can be awkward.


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ROOTS ROCK REGGAE
The hum is gone !
A friend of mine who knows something about electronics fixed it for me and here is a transcription of how he did it, I have pics that I will post when I get round to uploading them. -


I recently modified an Ashbory bass to fix the hum problem. These basses are mass-produced, and it seems many others suffer from the same problem. It is not an earth loop, as some people suspect (that is something quite different) but is caused by poor screening of the electronics.

When I looked inside the bass, it was clear that Ashbory had gone some way towards proper screening, but had not finished the job. The instrument had conductive paint in the battery compartment (this is good) and thin foil under the plastic back plate (also good).

Unfortunately neither of these were connected to earth. The conductive paint extended under the foil-covered back plate, and was supposed to make contact with it, but didn’t (this is bad). Even if it had done, none of this screening was earthed (also bad). Having areas of screening material ‘floating’ un-earthed near audio circuitry like this is actually worse than having no screening at all.

Anyway, here’s the modification. Follow these instructions at your own risk – it’s not a difficult modification, but I can’t be held responsible if you damage your bass. If in any doubt, consult an instrument repairer or a tame electronics geek.

Parts
5” x 1” strip of self-adhesive foil (or kitchen foil and some glue)
8” length of thin, insulated wire
Small solder tag (not essential, but a very good idea)

Tools
Phillips screwdriver
Soldering iron
Scissors
Long-nosed pliers or 9/16” spanner (only necessary if the jack socket earth tag is difficult to access)
   
Procedure
1.   Remove the back plate (four screws).

2.   Remove the battery.

3.   Unscrew the battery clip (two screws, but yours may have four, depending on how the person who assembled it was feeling at the time!).

4.   Attach the self-adhesive foil as shown (run it from the upper surface of the rear of the body to under the where the battery clip attaches). If you are using kitchen foil you should glue it in place.

5.   Solder one end of your new length of wire to the solder tag (if you have one).

6.   Re-attach the battery clip, fastening the solder tag with one of the screws at the bridge end of the battery cavity (as shown). If you are not using a solder tag, ensure that you firmly trap a bared end of the wire under the battery clip base plate.

7.   Thread the wire through the hole between the battery and circuit board cavities.

8.   Next is the only potentially tricky bit. There are three tags on the jack socket, each with a wire connected. One wire (black) goes directly to the battery cavity – don’t use this tag. Another wire (yellow, on the bass I modified) goes to the front of the circuit board – don’t use this ‘inner’ tag either.

The tag you want is the ‘outer-most’ one, and protrudes from the main (threaded) body of the jack socket. This had a green wire attached on the bass I modified, but the wire may be a different colour on yours).  The wire from this outer tag also goes to the front of the circuit board.

The pliers or spanner may be useful at this point. I had to loosen the nut of the jack socket in order to rotate the socket into a position where I could solder onto this outer tag. You may not need to do this.

Solder the free end of your new piece of wire to this outer tag, as shown.  I used green wire, for consistency. You should now have two wires soldered to this outer tag.

9.   Replace the battery, and plug the bass into an amplifier to check that it still works. If you have used the correct tag on the jack socket, the bass will sound pretty much as it did - some hum will probably still be noticeable, but will disappear if you touch the metal of the jack socket. If it hums really loudly  (worse than it did originally), you have probably selected the wrong tag on the jack socket.

10.   If all is well, replace the back plate. The hum should now be gone (or at least greatly reduced).

11.   Celebrate with some liquid refreshment of your choice. I had a cup of tea.


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