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Mike Tavener

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« on: February 21, 2006, 07:29:49 PM »

After many months of deliberation and a blitz of activity over the past two months it's finally finished.   :lol: There's a couple on pictures on my website and I will add some information regarding construction when I get the time.
Briefly, it's based on a Fender Precision with various liberties taken to get the proportions looking right, mainly dictated by the need to have a standard width neck. The head would have been long so I went for a Music Man type 3 + 1 and it has a 22" scale, which I prefer to the 18". Overall length is 30". The body is American black walnut and the neck/ head/ (non) fret board is one piece of hard rock maple.
I'm very pleased with it and I reckon I'm nearer to a double bass sound than ever before.  :D
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2006, 07:38:32 PM »

Hi Mike, it looks great. What's the toggle switch by the bridge for?

Cheers,
Alun

PS Ever thought of making more of these  :D ?
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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2006, 07:59:52 PM »

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After many months of deliberation and a blitz of activity over the past two months it's finally finished.   :lol:


The reversed tuner is a nice touch.

Is that switch added to a new DeArmond PC Assembly or are you sporting an old Guild board in there?

Nice work.


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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2006, 07:33:31 PM »

Brock and Alun, thanks for the encouraging comments.
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What's the toggle switch by the bridge for?

It's an active passive switch, which I'm pretty certain works the same way as the Guild, though it's a modern circuit board, and the switch is additional. It's a double pole double throw switch, one side switches the pickup signal between the input to the circuit board or the output jack. The other side is in the +ve battery supply line so switches off the power when the switch sends the signal directly to the jack. The unamplified signal is weedy and not particularly usable, just like the Guild, but the switch can also be used as a battery saver.

The tuning configuration was a bit of a gamble. The three on a side operate the opposite way to the standard Ashbory, and I reversed the gear so it operates in the conventional direction (button away from the nut). The string capstan screws onto the machine head with a reverse thread so the three tensioned strings on that side now undo the thread as opposed to tightening them in their normal configuration. To lock it I used loctite superglue and screwed it up very tight. So far so good, but if it fails I'll put a shear pin through it.

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PS Ever thought of making more of these  ?


Well yes, I have another 2 at an early stage, very different in appearance. Depending on how they turn out I may be open to offers but I can't see progress being quite as quick with them. Watch this space!

Mike
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2006, 04:58:23 AM »

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Brock and Alun, thanks for the encouraging comments.
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What's the toggle switch by the bridge for?

The unamplified signal is weedy and not particularly usable, just like the Guild, but the switch can also be used as a battery saver.


That's neat to see that feature back, though I agree about the usability on the old Guild. I never (well, certainly less than 5% of the time anyway) used the passive mode on my Guild. It's a different deal than, say, the active/passive G&L bass guitars (like an L-2000 or ASAT Bass) where they are wonderful active or passive. The passive switch on my Guild deserves a "suck" label, kinda like the old Far Side cartoon:
http://www.kresha.com/pictures/fs_suck_knob.jpg


-Brock
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2006, 09:09:05 AM »

Apologies if shown before on the forum. As mocked up by PhotoShop whizz Beav from TalkBass. I actually wanted it with a full-size J body, but didn't express it very clearly in my request...
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2006, 05:48:09 PM »

..........another one.  :-D This one's obviously based on the Rickenbacker 4001 and it rocks!  :evil: Rickenasher? Rickenbory? Ashbacker? There's a bigger image at http://myspace-560.vo.llnwd.net/00784/06/52/784742560_l.jpg  

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 07:26:04 AM »

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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2006, 10:14:48 AM »

That's Awesome Mike!
Can we place our bets on what the shape of the third ashbory is gonna be? Winner gets the Ash! :-D

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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2006, 02:13:52 PM »

Hello Mike,

inspirational stuff.  As I'm about to embark on my own Ashbory build, maybe you could give me some pointers.

I assume you have a 0 degree neck angle.  How thick is the fretboard to keep the action correct with the bridge directly on the body?

Have you managed to position the bridge to get correct intonation with the fret markers?  If so, how did you do it?  Move the bridge back?  Angle the bridge?  If so, how much?

Thanks,

Brian.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2006, 05:56:31 PM »

Thanks for the compliments chaps. In answer to Brian, it is a zero degree neck / body angle and the "fretless board" is 6mm thick above the body. The bridge is 12mm high, but on this type of instrument normal action rules aren't really that applicable. Those dimensions are good guidance.The neck angle is 12 degrees or so and that keeps the strings bedded into the nut if the usual "last wind to the bottom of the post" is followed.

I made the bridge and pickup on this myself, as there was a parts famine at the time and I was getting itchy fingers. The bridge block is ebony and the pickup 4 piezo chips in a 4mm wide brass channel encapsulated in epoxy. Damned fiddly to make but very rewarding when it works!! The saddle is like a shorter version of the nut, epoxied onto the pickup and the whole thing is set in a slot in the bridge block with silicone, just like a proper Ash pickup. Output is not quite as powerful as the factory pickup, but I'm thinking of putting a tiny extra preamp inside. I've got one in a seperate box for outboard use and it gives it a nice bit of boost. Actually if I adjust the trim pot it gives it an awful lot of boost, but also distorts a bit, so it's a matter of getting it just right.

The bridge saddle is 22" from the nut and parallel to it, same principle as the factory Ash though 4" longer in the scale. I've said previously that in my opinion compensation isn't that necessary as the thing's fretless and you play it in tune by ear. You can't see them on the photo but there are fret markers (black dots in the white binding) down the side. The 5,7,9,12 etc are slightly larger dots.The Precision type has plastic strip let into a 45degree slot in the bass edge, with thicker strips at the same positions as the Ric.  

Hope that helps. And the next one will be..................you'll just have to wait and see!! :-D :-D

Mike
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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2006, 04:24:34 AM »

Can we place our bets on what the shape of the third ashbory is gonna be?

I'm guessing Hofner Beatle Bass, but with a solid body. More or less makes it a Gibson EB-1 I suppose:
http://www.bassentials.com/bssgllry_2.html

Oh, and Mike, the basses are interesting! I'd never thought of a mini-rickenbacker. I like the 2+2 headstock setup especially.


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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2006, 10:49:58 AM »

Nice work mike! When we gonna get some sound clips?

I've started work on my ash since I last posted. Although progress is very slow (I only get about an afternoon in the workshop every 2 weeks or so and I'm having to learn alot of the wood working skills as I go). So far I've only got a neck and a half done headstock. I've also been playing with piezo buzzers and managed to get some sounds (which was suprisingly easy). I've designed and built a pre-amp but am having to get the multimeter out as it's not quite right :|

I'm also planning to use ebony for the bridge...Does it make a suitable material for the purpose?

My strings and tuners arrive yesterday (thanks brock :-) ) and you can already hear that ashbory sound from just the strings!

Anyways, trying not to let this little project distract me too much from my exams but after which I should make some good progress!

-Jeff

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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2006, 02:56:36 PM »

..........another one.  :-D This one's obviously based on the Rickenbacker 4001 and it rocks!  :evil: Rickenasher? Rickenbory? Ashbacker? There's a bigger image at http://myspace-560.vo.llnwd.net/00784/06/52/784742560_l.jpg  

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Mike you could make a Musicman/Fender/G&L style Ashbory and try and sell it to Tony Levin. Imagine if he used one with Crimson or Peter Gabriel!!

I don't know if his previous fire destroyed Ashbory was a dog bone or one of the Mkiis.......if it was a dogbone your 22inch scale models would be an improvement.

Just an idea.

Pabs
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Re: Built an Ashbory bass!
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2006, 06:29:11 AM »

The rick ash rocks!!  Id like to see one in semihollow.   :lol:
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