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Woodman13

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Building a custom Ashbory, My introduction
« on: December 19, 2008, 07:05:01 PM »

Hi,

I am starting to design a custom Ashbory.

Thanks to everyone on this site for their inspiration and valuable tips. One thing I should note right now is that I have never played or even seen an Ashbory guitar except for the posts and links from this site. Am really looking forward to getting one made.


Some of the things I have experimented with so far.........

Am using 41mm diameter piezo discs that give an awesome sound even without passive electronics. Have a passive circuit worked out that will most likely improve the sound even further.

The electronics will use Phantom Power rather than an internal battery.

Have been experimenting with different types of O-Ring cord.

So far I have tried just silicone durometer 70 standard cord. It is orange in color. I now know why the Ashbory's were designed to the 18 inch scale length.

It is very difficult to get a string to sound out the G without breaking at scale lengths above 18.  I used a 3mm dia cord and a 4mm cord for the experiment. The increase in tension for the 22 inch scale is quite a lot.

I have some Nitrile O-Ring cord on order that should be 3 times stronger than silicone. It is black in color and is a bit smoother than silicone. I think EPDM o-ring cord might be a good choice too. This is the stuff bungee cords are made from.

A note about o-ring cord life. This material does not last forever so don't be too disappointed that it breaks after a year. Nitrile especially will harden and fall apart when exposed to sunlight. I don't think the oils from your hands help too much either. The epdm might be a better candidate.  Silicone might also survive better in sunlight than Nitrile. Nitrile is very inexpensive though and easily obtained. 


Have a neat idea for the tuning mechanism. Do it like they do on headless bass guitars with the tuners just threaded rods down at the bridge location. No wining on posts and the string is pulled straight back. No knots to tie either.

All of this screams for pictures and plans. I promise to return and share this as I work along.


gary




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Mike Tavener

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Re: Building a custom Ashbory, My introduction
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2008, 04:56:12 PM »

Hi Gary

Looks like you're going to have some fun over the next month or two. A few comments based on my own experience of building four 22" scale basses:

I have not looked for different types of string material and always used the stock Ashbory sets. Although different materials have likely become available since its invention (only 20 years ago) I suspect Alun Jones and Nigel Thornbory did extensive experimentation to home in on the stuff we use. The tension is obviously graeater due to the longer scale, but they do work, and G breakages don't seem to be that more frequent. Mind you, if it goes when you're playing and hits you it can sting a bit! The G is 4mm diameter (that's what I sell)  but after a while stretched in tune it is probably about half that. I would recommend that you expend your energy on the design and making of the bass and use stock strings. Try others after that but by then you'll have a benchmark feel and sound. 

My other remark follows on from that. If the in tune diameter of the string is half of the unstretched string, the rest of the string has to go somewhere and that's around the machine head post. It's LOTS of winds, particularly on the G string. The elastic properties of silicone v steel are very different and a threaded rod will have to be awfully long to accommodate that stretch. Also I'm not sure you can do without knots. Due to the nature of the material any pressure point due to clamping concentrates stress around that point and weakens the string leading to breakage. The knot, though perhaps a bit inelegant, doesn't cause those stresses, proved by the fact that strings rarely, if ever, break at the knot.

I hope I don't sound too negative, but I wouldn't want you to go down any blind alleys.

All the best with your project and keep us posted.

Mike
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Woodman13

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Re: Building a custom Ashbory, My introduction
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2008, 09:28:16 PM »

Thanks Mike,

Some very good advice, not negative at all.

I'm certainly at a bit of disadvantage as I have never seen an Ashbory up close.

I really should do as you say and start with the stock approach and go from there. It is very easy to get sidetracked. I'm designing this with a friend from work. We started out thinking about building an Electric Upright Bass with a 42 inch scale when we came accross the Ashbory site.

I'm a bt of an inventor and up for a challenge though. It should be a lot of fun and I certainly appreciate all of the generous help I've gotten from your website.

Question though- Is there a way to post pictures on this forum?  I don't have a website.

gary

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Re: Building a custom Ashbory, My introduction
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2009, 01:56:10 PM »

Completed my asbory

Begs for a picture.

Starting a new post in the Technical Topics section of this forum.

Lot's of pictures of my new bass.

Cannot thank all of the contributors to this forum enough for their ideas on how to build a better Ashbory.

Hope you like it and appreciate your input.

gary
« Last Edit: May 10, 2009, 12:27:43 PM by Woodman13 »
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